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Old July 8th, 2017, 06:43:28 AM   #1
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Definitely not for hardcore spidey fans. It wasn't perfect, but very entertaining. The cast was weird to me. Watch out for easter eggs, I bet there are more than what I can discover.
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Definitely not for hardcore spidey fans. It wasn't perfect, but very entertaining. The cast was weird to me. Watch out for easter eggs, I bet there are more than what I can discover.
That sounds like what I was expecting. Putting him back as a teenager didn't sit well with me although I'm happy they aren't doing another origin film. Based on the trailers I agree the cast seems strange. Probably be a couple weeks before I get to see it.


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Old July 8th, 2017, 10:24:11 AM   #3
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I'm a little surprised at some of the glowing reviews, given that I thought the trailers were sort of "meh".
I'm also hearing it described as "he perfect coming-of-age movie."
I have to admit it all has me a bit concerned that Hollywood and the critics have finally found a way to co-opt the superhero movie and are attempting to make things all about relevance instead of the characters as they were created and we've always known them.
Given that superhero movies have become the biggest thing financially and culturally in entertainment, I'm a little worried that between the fervor for diversity and relevance these iconic characters will start going in directions dictated too much by modern sentiments and will start losing the essential qualities that made them great to past generations in the first place.
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saw it...was ok. lots of (not so great) CGI.


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Old July 17th, 2017, 12:01:26 PM   #5
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I share the same concerns as TrueFaith, and have the same opinion about the movie as a whole as Leadin2. Michael Keaton (as always) was fantastic, I think he is my second favorite MCU villain now. If they didn't waste him on the Vulture, he could be my favorite.
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Old July 18th, 2017, 06:51:53 AM   #6
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I liked the film (and the cast, especially Michael Keaton) but it definitely wasn't perfect. Flash Thompson for example, wasn't how I'd have liked. The actor was great at the role, the writing just wasn't Flash to me. Nothing majorly wrong, just little things like that. Still a very entertaining film!
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Haven't seen it yet, and I have reasonable hopes for it, but I must repeat: I should not want to have carnal relations with Aunt May. That is just wrong.


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Old July 18th, 2017, 10:11:30 PM   #8
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I wanted to walk out. Why?

- The social justice warrior cast: Almost every supporting character's race was swapped out.
- Ageism: "May" (No "aunt" these days, apparently) is way too young, as is Betty Brant (at least she's still allowed to be white (Haha)). Oh, and Ned Leeds is a teenager, Peter Parker's best friend and he's Hawaiian?!?!?
- I felt like I was watching a big budget Nickelodean sitcom.
- Stop with the little kid Spider-Man already! He has been a man my entire life & I'm 49!
- Tony Stark & Iron Man! STOP!!!! This is starting to get like Wolverine guest appearances in the comics back in the day.
- The Roger Moore/Inspector Gadget suit.
- The not a single mention of Uncle Ben or why Peter does this.

AWFUL GARBAGE!

Go see War for the Planet of the Apes!


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Old July 24th, 2017, 07:23:44 PM   #9
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I wanted to walk out. Why?

- The social justice warrior cast: Almost every supporting character's race was swapped out.
- Ageism: "May" (No "aunt" these days, apparently) is way too young, as is Betty Brant (at least she's still allowed to be white (Haha)). Oh, and Ned Leeds is a teenager, Peter Parker's best friend and he's Hawaiian?!?!?
- I felt like I was watching a big budget Nickelodean sitcom.
- Stop with the little kid Spider-Man already! He has been a man my entire life & I'm 49!
- Tony Stark & Iron Man! STOP!!!! This is starting to get like Wolverine guest appearances in the comics back in the day.
- The Roger Moore/Inspector Gadget suit.
- The not a single mention of Uncle Ben or why Peter does this.

AWFUL GARBAGE!

Go see War for the Planet of the Apes!
ha...well said.

I like it, though...wasn't perfect...had its moments. Good introduction to the new Spider-Man. That said, it was a bit hollow in motive. Keaton was great...I like Holland...don't like him being so young, though. There was some questionable CGI at moments like Gman pointed out. Good flick overall...
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Just saw this. This is a tough one. I suddenly realize that the film is not just about a 15 year old, but is written from a 15 year old's perspective. Given that, all the Breakfast Club stuff fits in perfectly - but it doesn't interest me. Incredibly, I am not the target demographic of a Spider-Man movie. I may need to think about that for a little while.

I went to high school in NY, so I didn't even notice that whites are a minority in the movie - they probably should be - but then, as Al pointed out it becomes very distracting when you learn these are supposed to be certain characters from the comics, none of whom are the right age or in the same position they should be.

The Tony as absentee dad thing got tiresome pretty quickly.

And, I cannot emphasize enough... I should never, under any circumstances whatsoever, want to bang Aunt May.

I don't mind that they keep taking Peter back to being a teenager. Yes, he was in college for most of my life, but I always read the back issues, too. There are plenty of adult superheroes in the MCU; I have no problem with one who isn't.

So, given all that, I think the movie got more right than wrong. It was light fare and got a few chuckles out of me. New York was well represented (always a must for Spider-Man).

One physics thing, though. About the Staten Island ferry. There's no way those two halves would have stayed afloat. I'm reminded of a Byrne drawing of the Thing lifting two cars to clear up a traffic jam.

There's no way those cars could just be held in the air at those spots - they would crumple and collapse around the Thing's arms. Also no way he could have scooped them up without wrecking them.
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I guess it's time I get my feelings out about this film, being a big Spidey fan.

As a film, it was slightly above average, entertaining/funny in some places, boring in others.

Keaton was fantastic, possibly stole the show.

I've grown tired of multiple stories being spawned by the invasion of New York.

I don't have a problem with Holland, would prefer a college age Spidey, but he's ok.

Some of the supporting cast, especially Liz, were not very good actors. Her facial expression was pretty much the same the entire film, always with a bored look. Ned got on my nerves after awhile, not sure if that's the actor or the writing.

I actually liked that Flash was a different type of bully.

As far as the diversity thing, I get why they are doing it, prefer them not to, but at least it was only the supporting cast. Although, using it to generate a plot twist seems...low.

I've never cared for RDJ as Iron Man, and I certainly don't want him in a Spider-Man film.

I didn't care for the tricked out suit, one, because he doesn't need it and two, he doesn't need to owe Stark anything to be a hero. Peter is more than capable of doing that himself.

Like wrlrd, I walked away realizing that they are no longer going to make a Spider-Man film for someone my age/history with the character. That really hit home and I'm not sure how to feel about it.


Here's what really bothered me the most:
They took away what it means to be Spider-Man. When Stark asked why he wants to be a hero, Peter said something to the effect of "I want to be an Avenger, it looks cool." I'm paraphrasing but that's what I walked away with and that is NOT who Peter is. I don't need to see Spider-Man's origin again on screen, but he could have said "I let someone down once and it came with a price." or simply "I have a responsibility to help people."

Peter is Spider-Man because of that sense of responsibility. He sacrifices everything to fulfill that but it didn't come across at all in the film. This guilt and fear helps to set him apart from most other heroes.
They have turned him into just another kid who got powers and wants to be in bright lights with world adulation. That's shallow and that's not Spider-Man.
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As far as the diversity thing, I get why they are doing it, prefer them not to, but at least it was only the supporting cast. Although, using it to generate a plot twist seems...low.
I don't see it as generating a plot twist -- it would have been the same, improbable twist if Liz had been white.

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I didn't care for the tricked out suit, one, because he doesn't need it and two, he doesn't need to owe Stark anything to be a hero. Peter is more than capable of doing that himself.
Yeah, I agree -- I assume they were running with the Civil War storyline, where Spidey started wearing Stark-designed armor (ugh).

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Well, he's supposed to have learned that when he turns down Stark's offer at the end - not sure how well that worked.
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