Because he's the best there is at what he does... Or so I hear. . I like him because he does what needs to be done and says what needs to be said. Love the WIP so far! I do like the idea of mirroring the X-Force Wolvie for a bookend type of look. Any chance of Bowen Designs actually producing bookends?
Oh, thank you, rom2099...I have never understood the fascination of fandom with wolverine... who is, as far as I am concerned, little more than a thug with razor blades on his hands...PTUI
He became moderately interesting during the exploration of his samauri background and the juxtaposition ofhis inherently bestial nature with the discipline and honor of the samauri warrior ethics.
other than that, he has been little more than a very nasty killing machine... and I, for one, simply do not understand the fanaticism with which the wolverine afficinadoes slurp up his gory actions.
I like a bad boy as well as anyone... after all I am totally in love with Magneto...but wolverine turns my stomach and I really worry about the mindset of the very young who just seem to love this character. Are we raising a nation of nasty, bloodthirsty little thugs?cuz, make no doubt about it, those rasor blades, short OR long would make a mess that I, as a former EMT with my fire company would hate to have to mop up.
Here is my suggestion. Mostly the area above the chest seemed off. Hie head and jaw need to move forward, and he needs more muscle on the neck and his traps (I think). The back of his head originally stuck out too much. The top of his head needs to be less ball shaped, looks a little too round originally. And the masks wintips need to go a little further back, as well as take into account where his ears are. Also maybe square the jaw and give a little more brow.
All the edits I've tried doing in the pic below. I hope that's constructive enough. I also hate criticisms that aren't constructive, so hope this helps.
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Oh, thank you, rom2099...I have never understood the fascination of fandom with wolverine... who is, as far as I am concerned, little more than a thug with razor blades on his hands...PTUI
He became moderately interesting during the exploration of his samauri background and the juxtaposition ofhis inherently bestial nature with the discipline and honor of the samauri warrior ethics.
other than that, he has been little more than a very nasty killing machine... and I, for one, simply do not understand the fanaticism with which the wolverine afficinadoes slurp up his gory actions.
I like a bad boy as well as anyone... after all I am totally in love with Magneto...but wolverine turns my stomach and I really worry about the mindset of the very young who just seem to love this character. Are we raising a nation of nasty, bloodthirsty little thugs?cuz, make no doubt about it, those rasor blades, short OR long would make a mess that I, as a former EMT with my fire company would hate to have to mop up.
Paty
Paty,
I want to give you a different point of view on why someone might like Wolverine.
When I was a kid growing up in Brooklyn in the mid 1970s, I was always the shortest kid on the block. I got picked on, but I was a fighter....whoever picked on me found off they might have bitten off more than they could chew.
I was a Marvel reader back then, and Wolverine was the first Marvel character I felt like I could relate to. The X-Men stories after GS #1 and #94 really developed him as someone that really I enjoyed reading about. He wasn't as bloodthirsty in the beginning, he was calculating but had a major mean streak. You might remember but there were a few artists back then that really got the point across as to this half pint with a chip on his shoulder. Byrne, some other guy...Dave something ( ), helped Chris Claremont bring this guy to life and I was one of the kids that liked his gruff, beer drinkin', low talkin' toughness. As we saw, especially after he met Mariko Yashida that there was more to him than was on the surface.
As the years have passed, Wolverine has changed into a character I almost feel is a totally different one than the hero I identified with in the mid to late 1970s.
Here is my suggestion. Mostly the area above the chest seemed off. Hie head and jaw need to move forward, and he needs more muscle on the neck and his traps (I think). The back of his head originally stuck out too much. The top of his head needs to be less ball shaped, looks a little too round originally. And the masks wintips need to go a little further back, as well as take into account where his ears are. Also maybe square the jaw and give a little more brow.
All the edits I've tried doing in the pic below. I hope that's constructive enough. I also hate criticisms that aren't constructive, so hope this helps.
Wow, that's astounding! You fixed pretty much every little thing I thought was off about this -- even some stuff I didn't know I thought was off!
Being a WIP, things will undoubtably change, so be patient. Yes it's good to see Bowen doing a short stocky Wolvie(personally the Koto DR Wolvie is how he should be). However Bowen have stepped up to the plate and got the proportians right. I like this Astonishing Wolvie, as I know changes will be made and there are so many suggestions already I won't add more, but my one critisism is to remake the X-Force Wolvie with these dimensions and more facial detail. Bowen have nailed the X-Force DP that the X-Force Wolvie may seem outof place.
Anyway, just my thoughts.
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My main complaint with the statue is the pose. It's the same tired posed as all the other museum Wolverines. I can appreciate the bookend aspect to have all the statues with the same pose, but if the astonishing version is going to be stocky (which I like), it won't match the X-Force or any previous version. I say have a new pose that can be the new standard for future Wolverine statues.
Here is my suggestion. Mostly the area above the chest seemed off. Hie head and jaw need to move forward, and he needs more muscle on the neck and his traps (I think). The back of his head originally stuck out too much. The top of his head needs to be less ball shaped, looks a little too round originally. And the masks wintips need to go a little further back, as well as take into account where his ears are. Also maybe square the jaw and give a little more brow.
All the edits I've tried doing in the pic below. I hope that's constructive enough. I also hate criticisms that aren't constructive, so hope this helps.
My main complaint with the statue is the pose. It's the same tired posed as all the other museum Wolverines. I can appreciate the bookend aspect to have all the statues with the same pose, but if the astonishing version is going to be stocky (which I like), it won't match the X-Force or any previous version. I say have a new pose that can be the new standard for future Wolverine statues.
"...So we're going to be doing an entirely new action Wolverine in the Astonishing costume. We're also going to be doing an all-new museum pose as well."
I want to give you a different point of view on why someone might like Wolverine.
When I was a kid growing up in Brooklyn in the mid 1970s, I was always the shortest kid on the block. I got picked on, but I was a fighter....whoever picked on me found off they might have bitten off more than they could chew.
I was a Marvel reader back then, and Wolverine was the first Marvel character I felt like I could relate to. The X-Men stories after GS #1 and #94 really developed him as someone that really I enjoyed reading about. He wasn't as bloodthirsty in the beginning, he was calculating but had a major mean streak. You might remember but there were a few artists back then that really got the point across as to this half pint with a chip on his shoulder. Byrne, some other guy...Dave something ( ), helped Chris Claremont bring this guy to life and I was one of the kids that liked his gruff, beer drinkin', low talkin' toughness. As we saw, especially after he met Mariko Yashida that there was more to him than was on the surface.
As the years have passed, Wolverine has changed into a character I almost feel is a totally different one than the hero I identified with in the mid to late 1970s.
And what really drove home the loner characterization was after Jean became the Phoenix in X-Men 101 (?) and Jean was in the hospital.
Logan decides to visit her and picks up some flowers, when he rounds the corner to her room ...lo and behold...all the new x-men are they waiting to see how she is recovering, and Logan has this shocked look on his face as though it didn't even cross his mind that anyone else would be here.
And then he toss the flowers into the nearby garbage
Oh, thank you, rom2099...I have never understood the fascination of fandom with wolverine... who is, as far as I am concerned, little more than a thug with razor blades on his hands...PTUI
He became moderately interesting during the exploration of his samauri background and the juxtaposition ofhis inherently bestial nature with the discipline and honor of the samauri warrior ethics.
other than that, he has been little more than a very nasty killing machine... and I, for one, simply do not understand the fanaticism with which the wolverine afficinadoes slurp up his gory actions.
I like a bad boy as well as anyone... after all I am totally in love with Magneto...but wolverine turns my stomach and I really worry about the mindset of the very young who just seem to love this character. Are we raising a nation of nasty, bloodthirsty little thugs?cuz, make no doubt about it, those rasor blades, short OR long would make a mess that I, as a former EMT with my fire company would hate to have to mop up.
Paty
The blades coming out of the knuckles was unique at the time he was introduced and I always liked his 70's togs. I've tired of him over the years and so I'm only really interested in stuff portraying him as he was drawn in his early years.
this Wolvie's looking great so far, with some minor tweaks it will be one of the greats! definetly ordering one. I also wholeheartedly agree that nothing can top Wolvie from the 70s/80s.
Oh, thank you, rom2099...I have never understood the fascination of fandom with wolverine... who is, as far as I am concerned, little more than a thug with razor blades on his hands...PTUI
He became moderately interesting during the exploration of his samauri background and the juxtaposition ofhis inherently bestial nature with the discipline and honor of the samauri warrior ethics.
other than that, he has been little more than a very nasty killing machine... and I, for one, simply do not understand the fanaticism with which the wolverine afficinadoes slurp up his gory actions.
I like a bad boy as well as anyone... after all I am totally in love with Magneto...but wolverine turns my stomach and I really worry about the mindset of the very young who just seem to love this character. Are we raising a nation of nasty, bloodthirsty little thugs?cuz, make no doubt about it, those rasor blades, short OR long would make a mess that I, as a former EMT with my fire company would hate to have to mop up.
Paty
To be brutally honest, I agree. don't get me wrong, I like the character ok and understand how him being so different from pretty much every other superhero who came before him created an appeal, but the zeal with which fans love him has always escaped me.
Or I should say worried me. Even back in the beginning, I thought about the implications of his popularity, and sadly my worst predictions have come true.
Because Wolvie was popular several "bad" things happened.
First Marvel tried to make everyone dark and gritty. Heck they made the whole genre "dark and gritty", to this day.
Second, because of his popularity they've made Wolverine into everything they could think of. He has come to completely contradict himself. Is he a loner or a team guy? Is the the trouble maker or the team leader? is he bestial or Samurai disciplined? etc. Wolverine has gone from a guy who got his butt kicked by Cyclops, Iron fist, Colossus, Spider-man and more to a guy people actually think can take on Thor. THOR for crying out loud. He went from a guy who had to recover from being grazed by a bullet to a guy who can literally lose every ounce of flesh on his bones and still survive.
I still like the character, I really do, but I am turned off by the problems associated with him.
To be brutally honest, I agree. don't get me wrong, I like the character ok and understand how him being so different from pretty much every other superhero who came before him created an appeal, but the zeal with which fans love him has always escaped me.
Or I should say worried me. Even back in the beginning, I thought about the implications of his popularity, and sadly my worst predictions have come true.
Because Wolvie was popular several "bad" things happened.
First Marvel tried to make everyone dark and gritty. Heck they made the whole genre "dark and gritty", to this day.
Second, because of his popularity they've made Wolverine into everything they could think of. He has come to completely contradict himself. Is he a loner or a team guy? Is the the trouble maker or the team leader? is he bestial or Samurai disciplined? etc. Wolverine has gone from a guy who got his butt kicked by Cyclops, Iron fist, Colossus, Spider-man and more to a guy people actually think can take on Thor. THOR for crying out loud. He went from a guy who had to recover from being grazed by a bullet to a guy who can literally lose every ounce of flesh on his bones and still survive.
I still like the character, I really do, but I am turned off by the problems associated with him.
Yes! Agreed.
I'm a little burned out on the dark and gritty to be honest.
. I like him because he does what needs to be done and says what needs to be said. Love the WIP so far! I do like the idea of mirroring the X-Force Wolvie for a bookend type of look. Any chance of Bowen Designs actually producing bookends?
), helped Chris Claremont bring this guy to life and I was one of the kids that liked his gruff, beer drinkin', low talkin' toughness. As we saw, especially after he met Mariko Yashida that there was more to him than was on the surface.
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