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Unread October 6th, 2012, 01:46:12 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Well it's political season again. I thought I would post what is in my opinion the best political speech of all time (and yes I still think so even though it was for a candidate who lost in a huge landslide)

It is of course Reagan's "A time for choosing" speech from the 1964 Goldwater convention. A lot of the Dem hatred for Reagan has faded over time and besides, let's not forget he was a Democrat until he was past 50, so I'm not trying to pick some partisan fight here. I first heard this speech when I was a freshman in college and I credit it for saving me from being the standard college commie lib. Good stuff. I am amazed at how almost 50 yrs later nearly all he said about the proposed programs of the time have been spot on.

If you've never heard it, take a listen.

"A Time for Choosing" by Ronald Reagan - YouTube

Oh and as a further hat tip to bipartisanship, don't forget Hillary was a Goldwater girl

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Unread October 6th, 2012, 02:20:50 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I had thought he addressed medicare/medicaid or similar in that speech but he did so in 1961 (I think still as a Dem). Spot on.

Ronald Reagan - Medicare Will Bring A Socialist Dictatorship - YouTube
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Yeah But Teddy look at what happened, He was able to become President and he literally changed nothing in terms of deficit spending and fiscal solvency, I use solvency rather than responsibility because we are still solvent, and never responsible, the opening of his speech sounds exactly like a speech you will hear a (R) make today. But 50 years after Reagan made this speech, it sounds like it was spoken yesterday.

I believe Reagan was an idealist, but an idealist surrounded by greedy puppeted self serving non idealistic crooks, and not knowing how to keep those types of people out of your **** is perhaps the worst combination for anyone.

When he was given the keys to the car he drove it off the road,
and I voted for him twice, mind you.

People claim he controlled inflation, that is a complete and utter lie.
My sister bought a home after getting married in 1979 for 28,000, In 1989 she sold it for 132,000

Now that all sounds great, wow she made a profit right? Not really because her next house similar in size and quality cost her roughly $180,000 so the mortgages basically offset.

So thats a 10 year inflation increase of roughly 200% so did he control inflation? the answer is clearly no.

(Just so we are clear if you double a number say 28 to 56 thats a 100% increase
28 to 56 to 112 that's a 200% increase, I only say this because people sometimes get this equation muddled)

His cabinet and advisers still stands as the most criminally indicted administration in the history of the United States. And remember Bush was president after Reagan so there was no witch hunt from a Democratic administration.

He made deals with terrorists nations (Iran)
We were attacked in Beirut and he did virtually nothing in response.

This standing congress and president will not change anything they will simply tweak the system a tiny bit and claim success. There needs to be a common sense party, I believe things the D & R wont make any changes that mean anything major to the general population.

NeoCons tout a silly isolationism while Corporations spout on about global economy the 2 ideas are diametrically opposed and will never reconcile but the 2 wander around the political landscape as if they haven't ever met.

Global economy only refers to countries we can pay **** wages to and treat workers like prisoners.
You never hear of someone from the US opening a manufacturing plant in a country like England or France.

People argue for Fiscal responsibility but never question defense contractors who in the last 10 years alone have been caught committing fraud to the tune of a Trillion dollars, and when they do get caught, they pay a half percentage point back in fines and then get awarded an even larger contract the next year, Now if you argue to trim the defense budget by a red cent you will be accused of gutting the military and being a traitor to the country. I believe Eisenhower was right about the Military Industrial complex.

I would say we need to put some laws into place that would have immediate effects,

1st. term limits for everyone senators, congressman Governors, mayors, everyone.

2nd. Punitive corruption laws, If an elected official is convicted of corruption, which to me is The ultimate act of betraying the common good.
We need to treat that like Treason with severe punishment, Im talking "pound you in the ass" jail time. and the person can never hold public office or work for any type of lobbying company.

3rd Campaign Finance and Lobbying reform
"Corporations are people, my friend" need I say more.

and any Laws on personal freedoms should simply work on this basis.
You can do anything you want as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's personal freedoms.

I want to run a Campaign similar to Richard Pryor in Brewsters Millions
Vote: None of the above

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Unread October 6th, 2012, 04:26:49 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Joe if you want to start your own thread to discuss the pros and cons of Reagan (and there are both) or the policitical situation in general then go ahead and I will happily participate. I specifically stated that I didn't want to turn this into that kind of thread (but I still do love that kind of thread).

The only point I will address here is your point about this speech is still the same today. I would point out one major difference. In the '64 speech he said what WOULD happen if we enacted the so called "great society" programs e.g. more poverty, skyrocketing costs, permanent dependent underclass, robbing of dignity of the recipient, etc and now we see that it DID happen.

And my main point is what a great speech it was and how it affected my own political thought process when I was about 17 and heard it for the first time in the early 1980's.
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